tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post1205671907029995036..comments2023-06-01T04:34:34.526-04:00Comments on Charmed I'm Sure: PantheaCon and Z. BudapestDeborah Castellanohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16715780448380813436noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-3651312121545801572012-02-24T12:20:34.890-05:002012-02-24T12:20:34.890-05:00@ Aisha - Those are v. valid points and I apprecia...@ Aisha - Those are v. valid points and I appreciate you sharing them here. <br /><br />If you would ever like to do a guest spot here about being a woman of color in the craft, I would love to have you. (Though I certainly understand your point about confronting and if you're tired of talking about it and would prefer to pass, that's cool too)Deborah Castellanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715780448380813436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-90641011484714003492012-02-24T10:57:39.984-05:002012-02-24T10:57:39.984-05:00@Deborah, I personally don't care for Diana Wi...@Deborah, I personally don't care for Diana Witchcraft, as I personally don't feel any connection to that tradition,I personally don't care for Budapest, as she isn't one of my elders. As a black woman in the craft i totally understand where the T.women are coming from, as much as people like to believe that the craft accepts everyone it doesn't; many people in the craft make microaggressions of sexism and racism all the time, ut if as a black woman I confronted everyone on everything I would spend more time confronting than on worshiping.<br /><br />I do however understand and know that some places aren't for everyone. Just like a fertility ceremony wouldn't allow those who aren't fertile to participate and that personally would hurt but I would understand that for this working I can't be there. this ceremony was for biological women only, for whatever reason Budapest choose to make it so. Her hysteria about T.women being men attempting to take back what belongs to women only clearly shows her age and the era she was from. I'm not excusing what she said, she could have said it differently and not been so offensive, however my understanding is that this ceremony was skyclad, and was a healing ceremony, her actions & her statements clearly state that she is from a different era, it doesn't make it right, it also doesn't make it wrong. Just like the 90 year old who spouts racist statements while you take care of them, your hurt by it, but you have to understand in his era that was okay, that as he gets older he reverts back to his childhood understanding, it still hurts that s/he would even be thinking it, but to them this was what was okay when they were little.<br /> We should see Z as an example of what came before and know that the craft has grown beyond her understanding and beyond her beliefs; because clearly she is still stuck in the past.Aisha @The Bewitching Bibliophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747046019797410273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-77515173978559137082012-02-23T19:26:55.911-05:002012-02-23T19:26:55.911-05:00OMG! I had no idea! Thank you for pointing this ...OMG! I had no idea! Thank you for pointing this out to me!Deborah Castellanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715780448380813436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-32475050234336547972012-02-23T16:16:52.332-05:002012-02-23T16:16:52.332-05:00YOU WERE MENTIONED ON WILD HUNT!!! http://www.path...YOU WERE MENTIONED ON WILD HUNT!!! http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wildhunt/2012/02/the-pantheacon-gender-conversation-continues.html *SQUEEEE*'s everywhere for you!!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10016794254846488389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-1432095441051881002012-02-23T14:52:10.685-05:002012-02-23T14:52:10.685-05:00Apparently, Z has made/issued an apology, but I im...Apparently, Z has made/issued an apology, but I imagine how much of an apology it seems like depends on which side of the problem someone's on: http://bayarea.pagannewswirecollective.com/2012/02/21/pantheacon-2012-unity-in-diversity-and-controversy-recap/.<br /><br />I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the whole thing beyond a lingering sense of Z being wrong. Which means I'll have something up about all that in a bit in my own little corner of the blogosphere.The ocelothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08158052946010994691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-60822873801916693292012-02-22T10:32:10.788-05:002012-02-22T10:32:10.788-05:00@ Aisha, I respect your opinion but as someone who...@ Aisha, I respect your opinion but as someone who does practice Dianic witchcraft, I can tell you there are Dianic circles that do include men (though mine isn't one of them, we do open our circle to men and children on Beltane for a family ritual) and while women's bodies are a part of the worship, in my circle it's not the only focus. <br /><br />We also focus very strongly on our experience as women (which would include transwomen) and the feminine divine (which would include transwomen). Because we have women from all different age groups and orientations, some will never give birth and some don't even have their wombs any more or menstruation anymore (we don't do mensuration rites personally) so the focus on the body at least for us is more broad than just being comprised of "bits".Deborah Castellanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16715780448380813436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-6815952698165575152012-02-22T04:19:00.134-05:002012-02-22T04:19:00.134-05:00Well said. Thank you.Well said. Thank you.Rose Weaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11289493128753395716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-39596875017504735292012-02-21T20:43:16.341-05:002012-02-21T20:43:16.341-05:00when a faith is based on people's personal sto...when a faith is based on people's personal stories & personal journeys it is hard for others to see why they would exclude those who may appear to be the same. Dianiac witchcraft is so serious about excluding men they even spell the word "woman" different. Completely centering on the aspect of womb worship & the sacred feminine, I understand it seems mean to exclude those that aren't born as women & though I don't personally believe that this is my journey, no matter how skilled a surgeon with a scalpel, no matter how much you gender identify with women, there are journeys as women that a transgender woman will NEVER go through, & there are things we 'regular' women will never go through that transgender women go through. Z could have coached her tone differently as not to affront anyone but the tradition clearly states no men whatsoever. You take it as it is when going in,Aisha @The Bewitching Bibliophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747046019797410273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-21997274867972212012012-02-21T19:53:28.781-05:002012-02-21T19:53:28.781-05:00Wonderful and succinct.
FLWonderful and succinct.<br /><br />FLFire Lytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07922627179839764281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8342544694680738280.post-89907165977024858792012-02-21T18:44:45.139-05:002012-02-21T18:44:45.139-05:00Thanks for this.Thanks for this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com